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like the fiscal cliff minimizes the yes and no i definitely agree that it's a complex problem i don't think it simplifies it though i think it adds an element of panic or fear looming. doom and the media loves that yeah i do think there's actually something to worry about or do you think it's something the politicians and the media used to distract us from what's really going on politics and media for sure so what's really going on that they're distracting us from. their own personal agendas if they're not really trying to work together there are three business channels we're in twenty four hours a day and it's good news nothing else is happening we're already caught in one so we move on and we just talk about the fiscal cliff correct i always carry every body everybody in their system even though nothing's really going to change because the economy sucks anyway oh i think it'll change i just don't think they're going to i think about whether or not americans are worried about the fiscal cliff the bottom line is the media is milking the crap out of the fray while realistically nothing
like the fiscal cliff minimizes the yes and no i definitely agree that it's a complex problem i don't think it simplifies it though i think it adds an element of panic or fear looming. doom and the media loves that yeah i do think there's actually something to worry about or do you think it's something the politicians and the media used to distract us from what's really going on politics and media for sure so what's really going on that they're distracting us from. their own personal agendas if...
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the fiscal cliff is a very different story. that's about reducing the deficit too fast. >> ifill: you call it an austerity bomb. describe what you mean by that. >> what's happening is that we are scheduled, unless something is done basically to do to ourselves gratuitously what has been happening to some of the european economies. we're going to have substantial spending cuts, substantial tax increases at a time when the dme is still very weak. of course that's a recipe for sliding back into recession. we set ourselves up with the land mine and the road in front of our economy which is not based on anything real, it's just based on our politicalness. >> ifill: speaking of political mess, both sides have what they say are opening gambits on the table. president obama at least his last week which calls for $1.6 trillion in revenues. the republicans came back with their own yesterday. as you looked at each approach, what do you see in that? >> well, i think it's important. i think the reporting has been a little weak on the republ
the fiscal cliff is a very different story. that's about reducing the deficit too fast. >> ifill: you call it an austerity bomb. describe what you mean by that. >> what's happening is that we are scheduled, unless something is done basically to do to ourselves gratuitously what has been happening to some of the european economies. we're going to have substantial spending cuts, substantial tax increases at a time when the dme is still very weak. of course that's a recipe for sliding...
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like the fiscal cliff minimizes it yes and no i definitely agree that it's a complex problem i don't think it simplifies it though i think it adds an element of panic or fear looming. doom that and the media loves that yeah i do think there's actually something to worry about or do you think it's something the politicians and the media used to distract us from what's really going on politics and media for sure so what's really going on that they're distracting us from. their own personal agendas people fall into a trip when it comes to reelecting. people that don't do their job. yeah which is all of them you know in a word yes yes they're much more concerned with their own agendas and their own you know ties that they were already got there used to be there was a thought at one time that the incumbent should never be reelected and that doesn't mean anyone at the top or the bottom one should be everyone should have one term and that's it if they're not really trying to work together there are three business channels we're in twenty four hours a day and it's good news nothing else is h
like the fiscal cliff minimizes it yes and no i definitely agree that it's a complex problem i don't think it simplifies it though i think it adds an element of panic or fear looming. doom that and the media loves that yeah i do think there's actually something to worry about or do you think it's something the politicians and the media used to distract us from what's really going on politics and media for sure so what's really going on that they're distracting us from. their own personal...
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so look, he can decide, i agree with senator schumer, we're not going to go over the fiscal cliff to use that terminology. something's going to happen before year end. hopefully it's a comprehensive package that solves our nation's problems then later, next year, we deal with tax reforms in a revenue neutral way. what i -- i'll stop. >> chris: hemorrhaginge >> this goes beyond the deal. why should congress give up it's constitutional authority over borrowing? we looked at your record when george w. bush was president. you voted at least three times against increasing the debt limit. why would congress give up that power? >> the bottom line is on debt ceiling, things shifted. i don't agree with bob corker on that issue. it shifted the way it has on taxes. senator mcconnell put on the floor a resolution that said it was his idea, not ours, that let the president raise the debt ceiling. it's money congress has already spent and let congress by two-thirds override it. he thought we democrats would run from that scared as could be. within a half hour we had 51 votes, we called his bluff a
so look, he can decide, i agree with senator schumer, we're not going to go over the fiscal cliff to use that terminology. something's going to happen before year end. hopefully it's a comprehensive package that solves our nation's problems then later, next year, we deal with tax reforms in a revenue neutral way. what i -- i'll stop. >> chris: hemorrhaginge >> this goes beyond the deal. why should congress give up it's constitutional authority over borrowing? we looked at your...
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i agree with senator schumer, we're not going to go over the fiscal cliff, to use that terminology, something will happen before year end. hopefully, a comprehensive package that solves our nation's problems and then, later, next year we deal with tax reforms in a revenue-neutral way. but i do not want to see us -- go ahead, i'll stop. >> chris: let me bring in senator schumer. and, this goes beyond simply the question of this deal. why should congress give up its constitutional authority over borrowing? you know, we looked at your record, when george w. bush was president, and you voted at least three times against increasing the debt limit. why would congress unilaterally give up that power? >> well the bottom line is, i think on debt ceilings, things have shifted. i don't agree with my good friend, bob corker on the issue. i think it shift the way it has on taxes and we just saw that. senator mcconnell put on the floor a resolution that said, it was his idea, not ours, that let the president raise the debt ceiling, after all it is money congress already spent, and, let congress, by 2/3, ov
i agree with senator schumer, we're not going to go over the fiscal cliff, to use that terminology, something will happen before year end. hopefully, a comprehensive package that solves our nation's problems and then, later, next year we deal with tax reforms in a revenue-neutral way. but i do not want to see us -- go ahead, i'll stop. >> chris: let me bring in senator schumer. and, this goes beyond simply the question of this deal. why should congress give up its constitutional authority...
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. >> dana: i have something also about the fiscal cliff. something you haven't heard about is rural america is under threat from a major raise in taxes. death and state taxes. throw up the map. senator from wyoming put this out. 526,421 family farms threatened by the new death tax. mostly because assets are tied up in land. you're land rich and cash poor. this hurts a lot of people. >> greg: this plays in the old phrase buying the farm. >> dana: it plays in something i want to tease for friday, which is i am -- i got to buy the farm. get it. think we haven't heard that. >> bob: promote something? >> dana: on friday, tomorrow i'm going to vegas and i'm going to the national rodeo -- the national finals rodeo sponsored by wrangler. i went last year and i got to interview the rodeo queen. the new rodeo queen this year and talk to a few other people and chance to go to the rodeo and see my family. >> eric: that's nice. >> dana: that's it? "that's nice." >> kimberly: it sundays fun. you know how to ride a horse. >> bob: ride a bull. >> dana: we
. >> dana: i have something also about the fiscal cliff. something you haven't heard about is rural america is under threat from a major raise in taxes. death and state taxes. throw up the map. senator from wyoming put this out. 526,421 family farms threatened by the new death tax. mostly because assets are tied up in land. you're land rich and cash poor. this hurts a lot of people. >> greg: this plays in the old phrase buying the farm. >> dana: it plays in something i want to...
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in good news and in perfect news but the truth is consumer confidence and the fiscal cliff talk could say have something to do with all of it. >> no doubt about it new survey out from reuters, michigan in early december we saw consumer sentiment drop to the lowest level that we have seen since august. that suggests, according to analysts that the increased taxes they are expecting from this fiscal crisis is weighing on consumer spending right now. the other side of this though, of course, is vice president biden went to a diner today to talk to some middle class folks and he basically said he has been talking to business leaders to say the converse of this is if there is a fiscal deal business leaders tell him the economy will be unleashed. take a listen. >> the upside is even bigger than the downside. they are ready to move they have well over a trillion dollars out there continue to vest if they think that the economy is going to move. >> and i have been talking to officials in both pears who say that has been the most surprising thing to leaders in washington here in private is tha
in good news and in perfect news but the truth is consumer confidence and the fiscal cliff talk could say have something to do with all of it. >> no doubt about it new survey out from reuters, michigan in early december we saw consumer sentiment drop to the lowest level that we have seen since august. that suggests, according to analysts that the increased taxes they are expecting from this fiscal crisis is weighing on consumer spending right now. the other side of this though, of course,...
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the republicans and democrats alike designed the fiscal cliff. it's a series of bipartisan compromises and i think it's kind of foolish to think that this group of congressmen and senators is going to come up with a way out of something they themselves designed. >> rich, you worked for a republican speaker who went up against a democratic president over the spending issues. back then the face-off didn't turn out all that well for your party. obviously very different era. do you agree with eric's take? is the right strategy for republicans to stick to their guns, forget about compromise? >> no. i really don't -- eric is one of my favorite people. we talk a lot. but i think that, and i did work for the speaker gingrich during the shut-down fight in '96, and it did not work out well for republicans. the president has a much bigger bully pulpit than the speaker does. newt gingrich's bully pulpit was pretty big back in those days but at some point, republicans in the house -- and i think boehner is trying to look for ways to do this, speaker boehner,
the republicans and democrats alike designed the fiscal cliff. it's a series of bipartisan compromises and i think it's kind of foolish to think that this group of congressmen and senators is going to come up with a way out of something they themselves designed. >> rich, you worked for a republican speaker who went up against a democratic president over the spending issues. back then the face-off didn't turn out all that well for your party. obviously very different era. do you agree with...
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cliff or the president's ultimatum. silence indicate a deal in the works or something too ugly for them to contemplate?@ we'll have the latest for you from the white house. white house correspondent ed henry here in just moments, but, first, the money line in hoping washington might get a deal done driving a modestly bullish mood on wall street at the end of the session. investors cheering news in a decline in jobless claims, and household wealth in the country grew by $1.7 trillion, to the highest level in five years, talk about a positive indicator for consumer purchasing. the dow jones industrial up 40 points, the s&p up five, and nasdaq rose 15.5 points. volume? a billion shares lighter than yesterday, but above the average of 3.1 billion trading on the board today. apple rebounded from yesterday's worst date performance in four years, a gain of $8.45 today with the ceo saying apple will move imac computer production to the country in the new year. garmin stock higher to replace rr donly in the s&p 500, the stock mo
cliff or the president's ultimatum. silence indicate a deal in the works or something too ugly for them to contemplate?@ we'll have the latest for you from the white house. white house correspondent ed henry here in just moments, but, first, the money line in hoping washington might get a deal done driving a modestly bullish mood on wall street at the end of the session. investors cheering news in a decline in jobless claims, and household wealth in the country grew by $1.7 trillion, to the...
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we'll talk with ann coulter as we track the fiscal cliff negotiations. does the average american know what exactly this is? we went to the streets of new york to find out. >> it was something i probably learned about in school, but i'm guessing it's like a cliff like guessing it's like a cliff like a you won't take my life. you won't take our future. aids affects us all. even babies. chevron is working to stop mother-to-child transmission. our employees and their families are part of the fight. and we're winning. at chevron nigeria, we haven't had a reported case in 12ears. aids is strong. aids is strong. but we are stronger. and aids... ♪ aids is going to lose. aids is going to lose. ♪ sven gets great rewards for his small business! how does this thing work? oh, i like it! [ garth ] sven's small business earns 2% cash back on every purche, everday! woo-hoo!!! so that's ten security gators, right? put them on my spark card! why settle for less? testing hot tar... great sinesses deserve great rewards! [ male announcer ] the spark business card from ca
we'll talk with ann coulter as we track the fiscal cliff negotiations. does the average american know what exactly this is? we went to the streets of new york to find out. >> it was something i probably learned about in school, but i'm guessing it's like a cliff like guessing it's like a cliff like a you won't take my life. you won't take our future. aids affects us all. even babies. chevron is working to stop mother-to-child transmission. our employees and their families are part of the...
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we'll talk with ann coulter as we track the fiscal cliff negotiations. does the average american know what exactly this is? we went to the streets of new york to find out. >> it was something i probably learned about in school, but i'm guessing it's like a cliff like a mountain avalanche type of cliff. meet the 5-passenger ford c-max hybrid. when you're carrying a lot of weight, c-max has a nice little trait, you see, c-max helps you load your freight, with its foot-activated lift gate. but that's not all you'll see, cause c-max also beats prius v, with better mpg. say hi to the all-new 47 combined mpg c-max hybrid. you won't take our future. aids affects us all. even babies. chevron is working to stop mother-to-child transmission. our employees and their families are part of the fight. and we're winning. at chevron nigeria, we haven't had a reported case in 12ears. aids is strong. aids is strong. but we are stronger. and aids... ♪ aids is going to lose. aids is going to lose. ♪ so we created the extraordinarily comfortable sleep number experience. a
we'll talk with ann coulter as we track the fiscal cliff negotiations. does the average american know what exactly this is? we went to the streets of new york to find out. >> it was something i probably learned about in school, but i'm guessing it's like a cliff like a mountain avalanche type of cliff. meet the 5-passenger ford c-max hybrid. when you're carrying a lot of weight, c-max has a nice little trait, you see, c-max helps you load your freight, with its foot-activated lift gate....
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i think we are coming up again at the end of the year, people looking at the fiscal cliff situation and everyday we get something different coming out of washington today, disagreement. tomorrow it could be sounds like talks are progressing. we can see things slip around staying in this broad range across a series of markets and i think he will continue to see that until yo they get some kinf definitive answer and direction out of d.c. we will go from economic standpoint and getting money to work in the most efficient way. liz: good to see you gentlemen, thank you very much. never gets boring around here on fox business lackluster retail sales from the fed announcement yesterday turning on the stick is beginning next month painted the market red leaving me wondering if high investors, the smart money might be changing their investment strategy. we thought we would bring in, millions of dollars, they want to see the money grow. joining us in a fox business exclusive. you seem like a very measured person, that is why you have a lot of wealthy clients because you must do well for them. aft
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something called the fiscal cliff, which i know you have been watching. you're very closely aligned with president obama having been the chair of the democratic national convention in september. i want to get your take on this. this is critical to your state. businesses in your state. taxpayers in your state. do you have any optimism that we may not go off the cliff? >> i do have optimism. there's no question about it. i think both sides understand that it's not in the nation's best interest for us to go off this cliff. people are tired of the partisanship. they want both sides to work together. they want them to do so in a balanced way. i agreed to join the stirring committee to fix the debt coalition and i have because the balance is that we have to make spending cuts. we have to address entitlements but we also have to make sure that we have the revenues that we need to make the investments that we need. education. infrastructure. transportation. research and development. workers training. all of those things are important things that we have to do. we
something called the fiscal cliff, which i know you have been watching. you're very closely aligned with president obama having been the chair of the democratic national convention in september. i want to get your take on this. this is critical to your state. businesses in your state. taxpayers in your state. do you have any optimism that we may not go off the cliff? >> i do have optimism. there's no question about it. i think both sides understand that it's not in the nation's best...
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. >>> if washington can't keep us in this country from plunging off a fiscal cliff, there seems to be more at astake than many know. we know about the massive taxes and the big cuts to the military and entitlement programs, but there's something else that could happen, and it could directly impact the safety of the food you buy and the food you eat. here's cnn's emily schmidt with the details. >> i like this one. >> reporter: preparing for the holidays at their house is a reminder of something else just around the corner, a fiscal cliff deadline that is personal here. >> i just can't imagine funding being cut at this point. it would be tragic. >> she's worried mandatory budget cuts would hurt food safety inspection that's mattered to her since her twins were born in 1999. >> chloe was in the hospital for two weeks and luke for three. >> they got listeria poisoning from meat she ate while pregnant. they same it sickened 48 million people a year, 3,000 die. the fda and the usd a's food safety and inspection sfgs are charged with protecting the food supply. an 8.2% budget cut translating
. >>> if washington can't keep us in this country from plunging off a fiscal cliff, there seems to be more at astake than many know. we know about the massive taxes and the big cuts to the military and entitlement programs, but there's something else that could happen, and it could directly impact the safety of the food you buy and the food you eat. here's cnn's emily schmidt with the details. >> i like this one. >> reporter: preparing for the holidays at their house is a...
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he was going to talk a little bit about the fiscal cliff and that's something we've all been talking about recently, and what it means for us right now and the year ahead. we also have other business news. we'll get back to the president by the way if and when we get that feedback. he will be taking questions from the audience there of business leaders as gregg mentioned. elizabeth mcdonald ever the fox business network is standing by list toning some of what the president had to say about the economy. liz, can you place it in context about where our economy is right now. >> reporter: the president just now was placing it in the -- the economy in the broader context of what is going on in the world, mentioning asia, mentioning europe, and then he turned to what was the most important part of the speech, he started to speak and that is what is holding us back ironically is stuff that is going on in this town, and he also, the president also said, no one wants to get a deal done more than me. so he's trying to essentially give some encouragement to get the fiscal cliff deal talks ignit
he was going to talk a little bit about the fiscal cliff and that's something we've all been talking about recently, and what it means for us right now and the year ahead. we also have other business news. we'll get back to the president by the way if and when we get that feedback. he will be taking questions from the audience there of business leaders as gregg mentioned. elizabeth mcdonald ever the fox business network is standing by list toning some of what the president had to say about the...
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you had to deal with the bad republican hand on the fiscal cliff now for better part of a month. this is something to look forward to. that you have two republicans leading the party of this stature and capability. who are movement conservatives in the sense they're both intellectuals. to get these issues viscerally this is something to put you in a good mood. >> bret: rubio talked about the middle class. ryan talked about lifting people out of poverty. different messages than we heard on the campaign trail this past year. >> rub row also seemed to be sort of disagreeing with mitt romney's argument a little bit. the 47% people who just want hand-outs. kind of a thing. which he disagreed with before. it's interesting because i think it's reprehensible message. i also, i wonder where jeb bush fits in to this also. i can't speak to that since i'm not a conservative but i think he would be one of leading contenders along with these two gentlemen. >> charles? >> i share steve's optimism. we are looking at the future of the party. generational change. the goldwater republicans and the
you had to deal with the bad republican hand on the fiscal cliff now for better part of a month. this is something to look forward to. that you have two republicans leading the party of this stature and capability. who are movement conservatives in the sense they're both intellectuals. to get these issues viscerally this is something to put you in a good mood. >> bret: rubio talked about the middle class. ryan talked about lifting people out of poverty. different messages than we heard on...
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>> no one wants to go over the fiscal cliff. worse would be for the president to sign a bad bill. >> all right. alan krueger, chairman of the president's counscil on economi advisers. mr. krueger, nice to see you that month. i'll see you next month, i promise. >> thank you, chuck. >>> trivia time, jim demint's decision to step down 0 means south carolina will have two seats on the ballot in 2014. who was elected the last time both of south carolina's senate seats were on the ballot in the same election? strom thurmond, of course, and the longest serving junior senator perhaps in the history of america, fritz hollings. senator thurmond won re-election and hollings, the form earp governor at the time, won a special to fill a seat left empty when johnston died. we'll be right back. ...so as you can see, geico's customer satisfaction is at 97%. mmmm tasty. and cut! very good. people are always asking me how we make these geico adverts. so we're taking you behind the scenes. this coffee cup, for example, is computer animated. it's no
>> no one wants to go over the fiscal cliff. worse would be for the president to sign a bad bill. >> all right. alan krueger, chairman of the president's counscil on economi advisers. mr. krueger, nice to see you that month. i'll see you next month, i promise. >> thank you, chuck. >>> trivia time, jim demint's decision to step down 0 means south carolina will have two seats on the ballot in 2014. who was elected the last time both of south carolina's senate seats were...
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the fiscal cliff thing. the average person really has no idea what that stands for. if you watch that. >> brian: you much the package. >> steve: no idea. something we learned about in school . i forgot about it. jay carny revealed yesterday. gretchen just said it is not a tax problem it is the way they waste our money. jay carny said deficit reduction is not the goal. are you kidding? here he is. >> deficit reduction is not the goal here. the reason to get our fiscal house in order and the reason to pass a deficit reduction package that is balanced and allows for economic growth is to put our economy on a sustainable fiscal path which again, in itself produces positive economic benefits and revenues are part of it this. the president put forth and entitlement reforms and savings gleaned from our health care entitlement programs need to be a part of it. the president has been specific about that. >> brian: he's talking about generalitiys about unnamed cuts. jay carny goes on to admit if the president's proposal went to the democratically controlled senate it would not
the fiscal cliff thing. the average person really has no idea what that stands for. if you watch that. >> brian: you much the package. >> steve: no idea. something we learned about in school . i forgot about it. jay carny revealed yesterday. gretchen just said it is not a tax problem it is the way they waste our money. jay carny said deficit reduction is not the goal. are you kidding? here he is. >> deficit reduction is not the goal here. the reason to get our fiscal house in...
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cliff talks is the debt ceiling, with the government on pace to reach its borrowing limit early next year. the white house stated its position on the 14th amendment, which some theory rise is a way for the president to raise the debt limit independently, should republicans attempt to use it as a negotiating tool. >> i can say that this administration does not believe that the 14th amendment gives the president the power to ignore the debt ceiling, period. >> the fiscal cliff talks reached a new low yesterday when, somehow, the new york jets got dragged into it on the senate floor. >> it's not one of my favorite teams, but it's really, really fun to watch, and that's the new york jets. coach ryan, he's got a problem. he has three quarterbacks, sanchez, he's got tim tebow, he's got another guy. he can't decide who their quarterback is going to be. that's the same problem republicans are having. romney's gone, but he's still in the background. we have mcconnell and we have boehner. who is the quarterback, mr. president? who is the quarterback? >> there's some confusion about who the qua
cliff talks is the debt ceiling, with the government on pace to reach its borrowing limit early next year. the white house stated its position on the 14th amendment, which some theory rise is a way for the president to raise the debt limit independently, should republicans attempt to use it as a negotiating tool. >> i can say that this administration does not believe that the 14th amendment gives the president the power to ignore the debt ceiling, period. >> the fiscal cliff talks...
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president obama saying now a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff could be about a week away. there is just one catch. he says republicans have to accept the, quote: reality as he puts it that tax rates are going up for the richest americans. something g.o.p. leaders are calling a deal breaker. >> we're not insisting on rates just out of spite or out of any kind of partisan bickering. but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. we can probably solve this. it's not that tough. but we need that conceptual break through that says we need to do a balanced plan. >> we made a good faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis and that offer included significant spending cuts reforms and it included additional revenue. and frankly, it was a balanced approach mr. president has been asking for. now we need a response from the white house. >> they have 27 days to prevent automatic tax hikes and spending cuts from kicking in on new year's day. ed henry live at the white house for us. ed, we are hearing the president and house speaker john boehner actually talked by phone no
president obama saying now a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff could be about a week away. there is just one catch. he says republicans have to accept the, quote: reality as he puts it that tax rates are going up for the richest americans. something g.o.p. leaders are calling a deal breaker. >> we're not insisting on rates just out of spite or out of any kind of partisan bickering. but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. we can probably solve this. it's not...
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it would be something like that. but remember, these guys hate the fiscal cliff. you know, it has caused this enormous problem. so the idea of setting up another fiscal cliff six months from now is pretty unappealing. but they'll have to go there. they just haven't quite figured out how to go there yet. >> harold, jump in. to an extent you'd feel the republicans are cornered on their position a bit, especially with this 2% in terms of raising tax rates? how do they get around this and argue back? i don't see it. >> well, i think early on, if you think about a year ago, a little over a year ago, the republicans had a better deal than what's put on the table now. they had a 3 1/2 ratio of spending cuts to tax increases. you're looking at best a 2-1, pure politics. so they've lost that part of the argument. you flip it over and i think these numbers that we're seeing this morning that we've all commented on -- and i happen to agree with steve and david's analysis that at the end of the day, we'll just extend the cuts for middle-class earners and raise it on the top e
it would be something like that. but remember, these guys hate the fiscal cliff. you know, it has caused this enormous problem. so the idea of setting up another fiscal cliff six months from now is pretty unappealing. but they'll have to go there. they just haven't quite figured out how to go there yet. >> harold, jump in. to an extent you'd feel the republicans are cornered on their position a bit, especially with this 2% in terms of raising tax rates? how do they get around this and...